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Extremely very cramped engine bay lengthwise. yeah, had currently figured that out ... it was a tongue in cheek post, that I really did not make clear ... my poor In reply to spitfirebill: I included that factor because when I had to locate a substitute 4.9 for my F150, I had to go through each in every junkyard in South Jacket to locate one that wasn't sludged up really severely.
Bernie: Which is a much better van, while we're going to speak concerning a few issues of these vans, yet I I'm plainly not going to come out and say one is far better than the various other. Bernie: Well, they're essentially the exact same automobile.
They seem to be a bit more used in that area, yet, you know, those are several of the usages, yet they're basically the very same group of automobile. Mark: So, well, allow's start with engines then. What issues do you see in between these two automobiles? Bernie: Yeah. So allow's discuss engine and actually just to specify that the design years, we're mosting likely to begin with 2000 and up, you know, I indicate, these vans have actually been around for a long time.
And, you know, for a variation of a Chevy van has actually been around since, you know, around that time also. We're not going to get back into, right into the earlier stuff. Considering that 2000, I suggest, Ford's, you can obtain these with V6 engines or V8s. V8s are much extra popular and I wouldn't truly suggest a V6 engine.
You know, Fords, and most of them come with the Triton V8. There's a whole lot of concerns with these engines. In the earlier 2000 trigger plugs with blow to these engines, because they didn't have adequate threading in the stimulate plug, which triggered issues. And frequently that would certainly happen when you could be in a 15 guest bus increasing a hillside with a load of individuals and all of a sudden boom, an ignition system pops out and you're stranded.
If you're buying anything from probably 08 and newer, you're not going to have that kind of trigger plug problems. Various other areas though, with the Fords that we see, intake manifolds will leak, they'll create coolant leaks. It's a plastic manifold typically you need to replace the entire point.
And there's some concerns, the Ford engine I have to state in their favour, because I'm discussing troubles, it's a much more advanced engine. Overhead camera, so you're obtaining even more power and performance out of the engine than you would on a Chevy, which is an easier style with push rods.
They're just actually rather good, long lasting, strong engines. You know, being a van, naturally, you know, doing any kind of solution on them is extra challenging due to the fact that you've reached remove that cover and enter servicing in odd methods. However points like stimulate plugs last a terrible long time, so they do not need to be replaced extremely frequently.
Mark: Can you get these vans with diesel motor? Bernie: You can and we do service a few of them. I can't think about if we've ever before done a Chevy, but Chevy, they're offered from 2006 to 16 with a Duramax diesel. The Fords have had diesels in them for a long period of time, like back before the 2000 design year.
You know, that's still readily available. If you're a say, I do not know, I'm just going to state a plumbing professional and you've obtained like a lot of heavyweight inside your van and you're pulling a trailer behind it, that would certainly be a truly great use of having a diesel powered van.
In all justness, it feels like the diesels are, they seem to have much less issues in vans than they do in the trucks. Probably since they aren't functioned so hard, however when points occur, they're truly expensive to deal with. We have actually got a great deal of videos and info concerning diesels, specifically the Fords.
So you actually need to assume twice concerning obtaining a diesel in a van. That's my recommendation. Mark: Yeah, so fit for objective, make certain that you're fitting the engine that you're purchasing for the objective that you're endeavouring to meet. Bernie: Yeah, precisely. And I will say, Chevy is basically restricted to V8 engines, however Ford has a V 10 engine as well, which is a monstrous gas guzzling engine.
If you're, and again, we're simply talking regarding kind of a straight, regular cargo van right here. Look at your purpose, your use, just how much weight you're hauling and that'll assist you make the decision.
Something that we haven't talked regarding here is what sort of van. These vans are, and it depends on what model, they're offered ever before from half heap to one load chassis and really several of the cutaway vans are really much more sturdy, like, you recognize, 450s and 550s for state the Fords.
Generally the drive trains, you understand, I find them to be rather much equivalent. Mark: So let's discuss steering and suspension. Just how do they compare? Bernie: You understand, I'm mosting likely to give the side to Ford on this one. And the factor for Ford is that it's a little less complex.
There's less guiding affiliation associated with a Chevy. So there are less components to break. They do a ball joints that wear. Do Chevy's, but it seems, and the Chevy's possibly last a little bit longer than the Fords, but the, you know, the steering affiliation is a lot less challenging, so there's less components and less items to put on out.
The adventure in a Ford is most likely a little more truck like yet I do not recognize if you 'd in fact ever really noticed a distinction between the two. It looks like their elements are a little harder on the Ford than the Chevy. Mark: What concerning brakes? Bernie: Brakes are practically the exact same, yet I will certainly claim that it feels like with Fords, the way they develop their brake calipers, that they often tend to require to be replaced almost every single time you do a brake job.
Somehow, they seem to last for one brake job. And after that a whole lot of times we take the brakes off and say, Oh, the dirt boots torn, and so the caliper requires to be changed. So I think on a Ford and you can expect to spend a bit more cash on brakes and you can on a Chevy.
And I can, I'm mosting likely to swerve back before the 2000 design years, there were some Chevy vans that had really bad doors. I mean, the sliding doors were crap, you know, actually badly developed. As a matter of reality, I would claim that if you are also looking at something older, it looks like Chevy and GMC vans really and their vehicles as a whole actually took a leap onward in high quality around the 2000 model year, due to the fact that there was a great deal of stuff where the brakes for example would certainly not last really long in any way.
If we're looking at the 2000 newer, I indicate, I would certainly say they're both possibly rather much matching in quality, fit and finish, you know, some of the guest vans, of course we'll have better appointments than the cargo vans. However I can't say that of them attracts attention to me a little even more than the various other.
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